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When I XP as BRD outside of KRT, I sub NIN (unless @ Trolls). I find that Stoneskin and/or Blink takes up to much time. I know Curaga II does help out a lot everynow and than but the downtime from those two buff spells kill me time wise.
If I eat a Tav. Taco, equip Terra’s Staff, and Kirin’s Osode, and all my shadows drop, Sea Puk’s will hit me for 50~60 dmg. Wyvern’s hit me for 70~90+.
The other night Smac asked me to XP my BRD, was WAR/NIN WAR/NIN WAR/NIN WAR/NIN WHM/SMN BRD/NIN. The WHM (Missash) never ran out of MP, and we got to chain 60 very easily only to lose it cause of a dc and another party (- -;; If I would have went BRD/WHM, I don’t think we would have chained that quickly.
To go along with what Mikedee said, there are fewer and fewer places I’ll go to /whm as as a bard, and more and more /nin to keep chains faster, and to keep me from taking too much damage and sapping the WHM(or SMN or RDM)’s MP.
In some situations, subbing WHM can be just as fast a subbing nin, but in places like Mamool Staging Point, that’s usually only if there’s only one other party there and you’re never running out of mobs. 9 times out of 10 that hardly ever happens, and you need to pull fast and run back again to look for the next mob. The less damage I wind up taking, the less MP the healer is dropping on me, the more MP they have for everyone else and to keep the chain going.
Places I’ll sub WHM:
– KRT: the ability to -na/erase/cure 3 myself is immensely valuable here
– Halvung (Trolls and Flans): RNG trolls shots go through shadows, and Flans are slow enough you don’t have to worry about Utsusemi. Trolls are also very, very slow.
– Mire (Imps and Flies): I refuse to exp here because, well, I hate it, but with Cursed Sphere and annoying imps, and HP aggro mobs… slightly similar situation to KRT.
– Mire (mummy guys whose name escapes me): Blood aggro mobs means curing yourself quickly before the next pull is important.
Places I’ll sub NIN:
– Mamool Ja Staging Point: my survivablity factor is NOTICABLY higher with shadows, and my pulling much faster as well. Plus, there’s always a lot ofpeople here, pulling fast > all.
– Mire (trees): They run slow, but they hit hard- being able to blink some of those hits away is very, very useful.
– sky (weapons): Whirling rage sucks. Shadows absorb it. Win.
Undecided:
– Lufaise: never exp’d there ever. Heard preferences on both sides, but won’t have an opinion until I try it myself.
Anyplace that’s not listed there, I’ll most likely go as /whm the first time to gage how much damage I’ll take, how fast the mob smacks me on the way back, etc. The less the healer has to cure me as I come back to camp, the better off everyone else is.
From forum discussions, there’s apparently a school of bard who think subbing nin means you never have to keep songs up. I call these people lazy bastards. It’s much easier subbing nin to keep songs up (in some situations), in my experience.
My $0.02. (‘_^v)
Meadows should be BRD/WHM, Erase is needed for HP Down attack by rams.
Sub Job selection on Bard is prefrence and opinion ;3 (I’m gonna go to KRT with yellow hp and /NIN!)
My post focuses on RDM and WHM teamwork to share the healing role in a nonstop chain party. However, since the BRD’s choice of subs was brought up, I’ll explain why my post uses BRD/WHM over BRD/NIN.
1. I party (almost exclusively) with Chidorii’s bard. The two of us work very well together, so that might lead to discrepancies from the usual party experience.
2. My post is was intended for 3x MNK/WAR melee, so Curaga can be spammed efficiently anytime. The RDM or WHM can spam Curaga when the BRD is returning from a pull, negating the damage taken from the pull. In addition, the bard can chip in whenever there is a chance.
3. The mobs *only* hit you for 60 damage, on average, 2 hit per fight. That is covered by Curaga, so there is no need to waste time on Stoneskin or Blink.
4. BRD/WHM adds another MP body into the mix, so Refresh benefits more people. Over time, BRD/WHM adds more MP to the overall party, even if it does cost the RDM an occasional Cure III.
Maybe I’m just spoiled with having Chidorii as a bard, but I’ve never had MP problems because of long pulls. If anything, I squeeze in rest time while Chidorii main heals. This setup is the traditional KRT setup; we don’t see a need to change the setup. Should the need arise, we are fully prepared to use BRD/NIN. Heck, maybe I’ll ask Chidorii to sub nin next time, just for the hell of it.
The MP cost of /nin vs /whm is more debatable in a party with 4x melee/nin. Curaga cannot be spammed efficiently because damage taken is usually limited to a single target when everyone has /nin. As the lone healer, there is very little time to rest in between hasting 4 melee. Ironically, by hasting all four melee, the party kills faster, and so forcing the bard to pull faster. The bard has to sacrifice Ballads and HP to maintain pulls. My only recent experience with this setup was without Chidorii: mnk/nin x2, war/nin x2, brd/whm, rdm/whm. I was low on MP occasionally from Dia II and Haste x4 spam, but MP was never low enough to stop the party.
The /whm adds the ability to support the party with cures and –na, while /nin minimizes damage taken when pulling. It is up to you to determine when to sacrifice /whm in order to reduce damage taken while pulling. (/nin doesn’t save time between pulls, assuming that your rdm or whm cures you while you are at camp). Either way, let’s not argue further about BRD’s choice of subs. Both choices can get the BRD’s primary task done: Buffing and pulling for the party.
Hi!
I’d like to say, first off, that these comments are pretty damned helpful. I’ve got a 75 bard, but I never leveled nin until ToAU came out. Truthfully, I was a bit stumped on what jobs I should level for subs. I don’t consider myself a bad bard, but I’m not going to say I’m amazing either… Mostly because I stopped leveling my bard and created a hume blm. I’m hoping after doing more research I’ll be able to figure out what I want to merit and what subjob I’ll be using primarily.
Thanks for the bit of help, and if you ever show up on Remora, send me a tell. ^^
ps – dont really have a blog url, so i’m sending you to my dA, I check it all the time, so drop a line if you’d like.